请教下Canoe的问题

[stonegump]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

[xiaolu]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

一般的 CANOE, 都是能至少坐两人的, 一人在钓鱼另一人同时在捞鱼在干活, 应当没问题啊. 否则的话, 两人没可能一起坐 CANOE 钓鱼啦...

[XUYCA]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

[creativeccc]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

SIMCOE风浪太TMD的大了。周一中午过后有25KM以上的风，加上有大船经过，我有两次都差点给抛下船了，而且还是船头已经对着浪的情况下

[白雪丹枫]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

SIMCOE风浪太TMD的大了。周一中午过后有25KM以上的风，加上有大船经过，我有两次都差点给抛下船了，而且还是船头已经对着浪的情况下

据说船头正对着浪是不对的，应该是以一定的角度对着浪。请高人澄清！

[iamfisherman]

院长正解

天有不测风云，有备无患，安装平衡器会比较稳妥

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

[Sergeantpepper]

KEEPING YOUR SHIRT DRY (HANDLING WAVES)

"One last area to cover before we close this opus, and that is how to handle waves encountered at sea. Whether large rolling swells, or choppy breakers, the surface activity at sea can be one of a skipper's most challenging obstacles. The following are some guidelines on how to deal with waves.

In order to avoid big waves:

•Avoid shallow water. Not only does shallow water create breakers that move at more destructive and higher velocity than "normal" waves, but due to the sinusoidal movement of a wave, the actual nominal sea level is hard to determine. In reality, the nominal sea level is slightly below the center of trough and crest. In shallow water, you are more likely to run aground, even if the chart says you're okay. Not to mention this can be a bumpy ride.
•Don't go upwind in big waves. This particularly applies to sailors who when tacking upwind will be crossing large waves at a relative angle of 45º to the bow. For sailors working upwind with escalating winds, plan to make your upwind progress before the winds build and sail downwind with the large waves later.
•Use land as a natural breakwater. Sailing in the lee of an island will create smaller waves as the wind comes off land and then toward your vessel.
•If the waves are so big that you can feel them pushing your boat sideways, or backward -- turn into the wave. Try to hit the crest at a perpendicular angle and head off again just as the crest reaches the bow. This minimizes the surface area that the waves can push upon. Sailors be sure to keep steerageway by heading off once you're on the crest.
•You can estimate the height of waves by knowing your eye height above the water. If, when standing at the helm, your eye is 10' above the surface of the water, waves just at the horizon line will also be 10' in height.
•When sailing in big seas, the true challenge is to pay attention. In reality you can never predict what a wave system will throw at you. Waves can suddenly come up from sideways, or a large threatening wave may pass quietly while a small one might break violently into your boat. Being alert and reactive is your best bet. Don't concentrate on one area too much, but rather the whole picture.
•Watch the weather reports. Not just for the day you are planing to sail, but the week before as well. Remember that a sudden shift in wind pattern contrary to what was happening for several days can create much larger waves in that area. You may be looking at a great fishing spot and NWS tells you that there are only 10 knot winds from the southwest there, however, what you don't know is that the winds were blowing 10 knots from the northeast for the past five days -- hence the significant wave height in that area is double what it should be for the conditions

[风雨]

完全没有经验的话，何不去租一个或借一个先试试看？

很多东西需要亲身体验了才知道。

[fisher28]

完全没有经验的话，何不去租一个或借一个先试试看？

很多东西需要亲身体验了才知道。

[边走边钓]

如果是一个人的话，卡努是比较稳当的，两个人的话，一坐一立也是很稳的，如果两个人同时站起来没有平衡器就会有人入水，一般是前面的人。经验之谈。哈哈哈

[Stradic]

...If the waves are so big that you can feel them pushing your boat sideways, or backward -- turn into the wave. Try to hit the crest at a perpendicular angle and head off again just as the crest reaches...

上面这句如何解释?

[stonegump]

谢谢各位，看样子可以先买个Canoe试试，不行的话，再装平衡器。找不到合适的二手Canoe...

[Sergeantpepper]

我的理解、、、
当横浪阻止你前进時，你大可正面迎浪面（wave face)前进, 在遇上浪峯（peak)前轉向45度角过浪峯，然后在浪背（wave back)全力向目标前进，过浪槽（trough)后重複以上程序

[Pungo]

谢谢各位，看样子可以先买个Canoe试试，不行的话，再装平衡器。找不到合适的二手Canoe...

kijiji上不要太多哦！
http://www.kijiji.ca/b-canoe-kayak-padd ... 0c329l9004

[白雪丹枫]

谢谢辣椒警长的知识普及。我是前几天听同事说到他在大西洋上遇上大风的事，提到了船不能顶着浪头上。看来航海真不简单啊！

[边走边钓]

我上周在安大略湖试过了，深有体会。

我的理解、、、
当横浪阻止你前进時，你大可正面迎浪面（wave face)前进, 在遇上浪峯（peak)前轉向45度角过浪峯，然后在浪背（wave back)全力向目标前进，过浪槽（trough)后重複以上程序

[XUYCA]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

SIMCOE风浪太TMD的大了。周一中午过后有25KM以上的风，加上有大船经过，我有两次都差点给抛下船了，而且还是船头已经对着浪的情况下

我赶脚，碰到大浪时，身体要放松，自然随着浪动。如果身体僵硬，很容易使得一侧失去平衡。周一下午确实有一段时间浪很大。开始有些不习惯。后来就适应了。大浪把久经沙场的疯蛙LD都搞晕船了。

[xiaolu]

不装平衡器的话，一人钓到鱼，另一个去拿网兜去舀的话，会翻船么？

小湖一般问题不大。如果赶上有风浪的天在像 Simcoe 的大湖钓。平衡装置还是必要的。有时大船经过或刮风，浪很大。

SIMCOE风浪太TMD的大了。周一中午过后有25KM以上的风，加上有大船经过，我有两次都差点给抛下船了，而且还是船头已经对着浪的情况下

我赶脚，碰到大浪时，身体要放松，自然随着浪动。如果身体僵硬，很容易使得一侧失去平衡。周一下午确实有一段时间浪很大。开始有些不习惯。后来就适应了。大浪把久经沙场的疯蛙LD都搞晕船了。

嗯, 我在"腥母狗", 在 KAYAK 上钓鱼, 时常会遇到比较大的浪. 貌似习惯性流产, 已经灰常滴习惯了.

[millermin]

新海军很多，而且会不断壮大，所以好象很有必要整个置顶科普贴，供海军操练使用。

[iamfisherman]

非常简易的自做平衡器

见笑了

供参考

[jeffc]

非常简易的自做平衡器

见笑了

供参考

[Pungo]

KEEPING YOUR SHIRT DRY (HANDLING WAVES)

"One last area to cover before we close this opus, and that is how to handle waves encountered at sea. Whether large rolling swells, or choppy breakers, the surface activity at sea can be one of a skipper's most challenging obstacles. The following are some guidelines on how to deal with waves.

In order to avoid big waves:

•Avoid shallow water. Not only does shallow water create breakers that move at more destructive and higher velocity than "normal" waves, but due to the sinusoidal movement of a wave, the actual nominal sea level is hard to determine. In reality, the nominal sea level is slightly below the center of trough and crest. In shallow water, you are more likely to run aground, even if the chart says you're okay. Not to mention this can be a bumpy ride.
•Don't go upwind in big waves. This particularly applies to sailors who when tacking upwind will be crossing large waves at a relative angle of 45º to the bow. For sailors working upwind with escalating winds, plan to make your upwind progress before the winds build and sail downwind with the large waves later.
•Use land as a natural breakwater. Sailing in the lee of an island will create smaller waves as the wind comes off land and then toward your vessel.
•If the waves are so big that you can feel them pushing your boat sideways, or backward -- turn into the wave. Try to hit the crest at a perpendicular angle and head off again just as the crest reaches the bow. This minimizes the surface area that the waves can push upon. Sailors be sure to keep steerageway by heading off once you're on the crest.
•You can estimate the height of waves by knowing your eye height above the water. If, when standing at the helm, your eye is 10' above the surface of the water, waves just at the horizon line will also be 10' in height.
•When sailing in big seas, the true challenge is to pay attention. In reality you can never predict what a wave system will throw at you. Waves can suddenly come up from sideways, or a large threatening wave may pass quietly while a small one might break violently into your boat. Being alert and reactive is your best bet. Don't concentrate on one area too much, but rather the whole picture.
•Watch the weather reports. Not just for the day you are planing to sail, but the week before as well. Remember that a sudden shift in wind pattern contrary to what was happening for several days can create much larger waves in that area. You may be looking at a great fishing spot and NWS tells you that there are only 10 knot winds from the southwest there, however, what you don't know is that the winds were blowing 10 knots from the northeast for the past five days -- hence the significant wave height in that area is double what it should be for the conditions

又加了一段套红。

Kayak在安大略湖和私密口湖，经常被大浪推得前后左右地动。

原来Stradic君已经注意到这句话，我觉得辣椒兄的解释值得商榷。我的理解就是船头垂直对住来浪，在湖上也是这么做的，没有什么问题。

第一段红字，我是这么理解的：浪大的时候，不要逆风行驶，尤其是在以相对角度为45度驶过大浪的时候。大概海里的浪的方向有时会跟风的方向不同，在私密口湖，无风不起浪，风浪必同向。

[Pungo]

是不是可以这么说，不同的船，小的比如kayak，大的比如bass船，再大的比如游艇，轮船，在对付大浪的时候，做法可能是不同的。别的不知道，就Lake Simcoe的 kayak来说，垂直对住大浪是安全的，不是阿舅（argue），只是根据我的经验，希望不会误导。

[Stradic]

KEEPING YOUR SHIRT DRY (HANDLING WAVES)

"One last area to cover before we close this opus, and that is how to handle waves encountered at sea. Whether large rolling swells, or choppy breakers, the surface activity at sea can be one of a skipper's most challenging obstacles. The following are some guidelines on how to deal with waves.

In order to avoid big waves:

•Avoid shallow water. Not only does shallow water create breakers that move at more destructive and higher velocity than "normal" waves, but due to the sinusoidal movement of a wave, the actual nominal sea level is hard to determine. In reality, the nominal sea level is slightly below the center of trough and crest. In shallow water, you are more likely to run aground, even if the chart says you're okay. Not to mention this can be a bumpy ride.
•Don't go upwind in big waves. This particularly applies to sailors who when tacking upwind will be crossing large waves at a relative angle of 45º to the bow. For sailors working upwind with escalating winds, plan to make your upwind progress before the winds build and sail downwind with the large waves later.
•Use land as a natural breakwater. Sailing in the lee of an island will create smaller waves as the wind comes off land and then toward your vessel.
•If the waves are so big that you can feel them pushing your boat sideways, or backward -- turn into the wave. Try to hit the crest at a perpendicular angle and head off again just as the crest reaches the bow. This minimizes the surface area that the waves can push upon. Sailors be sure to keep steerageway by heading off once you're on the crest.
•You can estimate the height of waves by knowing your eye height above the water. If, when standing at the helm, your eye is 10' above the surface of the water, waves just at the horizon line will also be 10' in height.
•When sailing in big seas, the true challenge is to pay attention. In reality you can never predict what a wave system will throw at you. Waves can suddenly come up from sideways, or a large threatening wave may pass quietly while a small one might break violently into your boat. Being alert and reactive is your best bet. Don't concentrate on one area too much, but rather the whole picture.
•Watch the weather reports. Not just for the day you are planing to sail, but the week before as well. Remember that a sudden shift in wind pattern contrary to what was happening for several days can create much larger waves in that area. You may be looking at a great fishing spot and NWS tells you that there are only 10 knot winds from the southwest there, however, what you don't know is that the winds were blowing 10 knots from the northeast for the past five days -- hence the significant wave height in that area is double what it should be for the conditions

又加了一段套红。

Kayak在安大略湖和私密口湖，经常被大浪推得前后左右地动。

原来Stradic君已经注意到这句话，我觉得辣椒兄的解释值得商榷。我的理解就是船头垂直对住来浪，在湖上也是这么做的，没有什么问题。

第一段红字，我是这么理解的：浪大的时候，不要逆风行驶，尤其是在以相对角度为45度驶过大浪的时候。大概海里的浪的方向有时会跟风的方向不同，在私密口湖，无风不起浪，风浪必同向。

cant agree more with 司令!

[Sergeantpepper]

多謝分享意見和经驗，臨埸策畧视乎浪有多大，船有多堅，人有多牛吧