器材党请教，神马调性的上手竿甩最远？

[wetnose]

就是哈夫盎司到完盎司的饵，我经常用到spinnerbait或crankbait就是哈夫盎司！

呵呵。我就不信你能往芦苇丛里扔那些。尤其荷花那么说就更瑞迪克勒斯了。他自己扔的几乎都不超过八分三。

这个帖子说的是远好哇？

记得和论坛里面的一个哥们一起钓bass的时候，就想比比究竟是他的上手轮扔的远还是我的下手轮扔的远，1，2，3开始，我的饵如期而去，再看看钓友轮子上的线那个乱啊，后来是把轮子上的线剪断一半吧，我忽然感觉到我好邪恶啊！

[wetnose]

瑞德完沃特莉莉的话，我百撕不得其姐。。。。。
哪有那么复杂！
1，要想远，多花钱。不周克！骚伏特替铺维斯斯壮拜客崩本身就是钱。
2，狼狼狼竿，哨特竿你把吃的谬客都吐出来也沒戏。
3，把告的但母的轮子的法克因刹车打松！
4，哈夫盎司到完盎司？拍顿迷？？？干脆参加奧运扔铅球算了。

就是哈夫盎司到完盎司的饵，我经常用到spinnerbait或crankbait就是哈夫盎司！

呵呵。我就不信你能往芦苇丛里扔那些。尤其荷花那么说就更瑞迪克勒斯了。他自己扔的几乎都不超过八分三。

夏天钓荷花的时候，有时候为了扔的远，带3/16的盎司铅的texas 钩+ swimbait，重量妥妥的超过半个盎司！

[madfrog]

Tws is a must for long cast. Second., Braided lines. Not too soft, not too hard.I use fx2 or sx1 or power pro regular. Third. Magnatic braking system....lures between 1/2 to 1oz

TWS doesn't make a cast longer, it just makes it effortless. I used the TWS type r, it doesn't cast noticeably any longer than my chronarch, however it is much easier to cast. The reason Daiwa reels cast a bit longer is because most of them have mag braking and wider spool than Shimano's, Shimano are more into making centrifugal braking reels

tws will not show its full potential on stock reels, this innovated line guide which is make the start of the cast so fast and free, it will max out the spool speed on a retractable spool, which will decrease its distance because it has too much brake force, thats why i have modified all my daiwa reels, to make tws combine with magnetic brake suits my needs, i have approx. 15~30% longer cast then most people using stock daiwa or shimano, when im using my 2nd gen tws zillion, whichs modified for myself, i can cast almost double the distance of other people which on my boat.

tips for long cast, master your thumb control, feel how the line flows, set the break as low as you can, dont always stay at your comfort zone on a break setting, keep pushing yourself use lower and lower every time. my frog reel zillion mag dial is at 1~2. sometimes 0, on my swimbait reel, which is T3, i set it at 0. 100% the time. even cast against wind. i would not say i never backlash, but if i do, i would say about 1/30 of a time...

hehe, my frog Metanium is always on free spool unless it gets real windy, frog is the easiest lure to cast super long because of heavy braided line you can almost ignore back lash, I spooled my Talula type r and Metanium with a 3/4oz frog on 65lb braid, sometimes I get to the backing and sometimes I'm 10ft into the backing and have the spool exposed, both are just stock reels. I've yet try my Metanium DC with a frog, curious to see how it goes but sadly it's a 6.2

As you said, TWS is not the sole factor make your reel cast super long, it's all the mods you do, maybe you should just buy a zillion hlc, it has the brake, spool and bearings to supplement a long cast

As of thumbing, generally speaking, always feather the spool at initial launch and let go before half way out, this is especially important if you have mismatched line/lure, for example cast a weightless senko on 1.0PE, senko itself is pretty heavy, almost too heavy for 1.0Pe to not digging into the spool, a frog with 65lb braided almost require no thumbing unless cast into the strong wind

[枫叶天堂]

其實元帥已經指明瞭方向，竿的長度軟硬度材質等等會對拋物起一定作用，當但是線走出的地方是輪！不捨得花錢不行。老款的curado ，綠色的那個配MH的竿能拋的很遠，反而新款的感覺不是那麼順暢。 風向是一方面，餌的重量也是一方面，萬萬不能忽視餌的形狀。我個人還是提倡一竿一用，最多兩用。我要是說我有一套heavy 7.1的竿扔1/2盎司的餌可以出去3/4線杯的16磅碳線你肯定不信，無風的情況下。

[枫叶天堂]

出去钓鱼的时候，合同船的炮友交换一下竿，体会会更多。

[madfrog]

Hlc

[HB]

Hlc

这轮子你握的束缚么？我经过一系列的折腾还是换回Shimano.

[madfrog]

Hlc

这轮子你握的束缚么？我经过一系列的折腾还是换回Shimano.

帮朋友买的

[yangzw2002]

呵呵。我就不信你能往芦苇丛里扔那些。尤其荷花那么说就更瑞迪克勒斯了。他自己扔的几乎都不超过八分三。

这个帖子说的是远好哇？

记得和论坛里面的一个哥们一起钓bass的时候，就想比比究竟是他的上手轮扔的远还是我的下手轮扔的远，1，2，3开始，我的饵如期而去，再看看钓友轮子上的线那个乱啊，后来是把轮子上的线剪断一半吧，我忽然感觉到我好邪恶啊！

我就不说那是谁

[Ecstasy]

TWS doesn't make a cast longer, it just makes it effortless. I used the TWS type r, it doesn't cast noticeably any longer than my chronarch, however it is much easier to cast. The reason Daiwa reels cast a bit longer is because most of them have mag braking and wider spool than Shimano's, Shimano are more into making centrifugal braking reels

tws will not show its full potential on stock reels, this innovated line guide which is make the start of the cast so fast and free, it will max out the spool speed on a retractable spool, which will decrease its distance because it has too much brake force, thats why i have modified all my daiwa reels, to make tws combine with magnetic brake suits my needs, i have approx. 15~30% longer cast then most people using stock daiwa or shimano, when im using my 2nd gen tws zillion, whichs modified for myself, i can cast almost double the distance of other people which on my boat.

tips for long cast, master your thumb control, feel how the line flows, set the break as low as you can, dont always stay at your comfort zone on a break setting, keep pushing yourself use lower and lower every time. my frog reel zillion mag dial is at 1~2. sometimes 0, on my swimbait reel, which is T3, i set it at 0. 100% the time. even cast against wind. i would not say i never backlash, but if i do, i would say about 1/30 of a time...

hehe, my frog Metanium is always on free spool unless it gets real windy, frog is the easiest lure to cast super long because of heavy braided line you can almost ignore back lash, I spooled my Talula type r and Metanium with a 3/4oz frog on 65lb braid, sometimes I get to the backing and sometimes I'm 10ft into the backing and have the spool exposed, both are just stock reels. I've yet try my Metanium DC with a frog, curious to see how it goes but sadly it's a 6.2

As you said, TWS is not the sole factor make your reel cast super long, it's all the mods you do, maybe you should just buy a zillion hlc, it has the brake, spool and bearings to supplement a long cast

As of thumbing, generally speaking, always feather the spool at initial launch and let go before half way out, this is especially important if you have mismatched line/lure, for example cast a weightless senko on 1.0PE, senko itself is pretty heavy, almost too heavy for 1.0Pe to not digging into the spool, a frog with 65lb braided almost require no thumbing unless cast into the strong wind

tws will allow the spool to start up faster and reach high rpm earlier, no doubt. it will also will decrease the resistance when the line comes off the spool. try put the line guide on the far left or right which on 2 reels that has normal line guide and one with tws, make couple of casts, and observed...
the frog i use 99% of the time is 1/2oz which is the spro bronzeye popper, i have also compared casting both tws zillion and metanium,(same rod). the metanium feels a little bit more controlled but not as smooth thru out as from the zillion, stock by stock the zillion would cast about the same as metaium, the metanium did palm much better. but on the retrieve, the zillion is oily smooth.(thats just my personal opinion..) with modified brake on the zillion the gap between 2 reels is much bigger. and zillion is cheaper, plus i love putting longer handles for my reels to increase torque when fighting a fish and reeling, handle is much cheaper then the shimanos as well as easier to purchase them locally. nod goes to daiwa...

[madfrog]

tws will not show its full potential on stock reels, this innovated line guide which is make the start of the cast so fast and free, it will max out the spool speed on a retractable spool, which will decrease its distance because it has too much brake force, thats why i have modified all my daiwa reels, to make tws combine with magnetic brake suits my needs, i have approx. 15~30% longer cast then most people using stock daiwa or shimano, when im using my 2nd gen tws zillion, whichs modified for myself, i can cast almost double the distance of other people which on my boat.

tips for long cast, master your thumb control, feel how the line flows, set the break as low as you can, dont always stay at your comfort zone on a break setting, keep pushing yourself use lower and lower every time. my frog reel zillion mag dial is at 1~2. sometimes 0, on my swimbait reel, which is T3, i set it at 0. 100% the time. even cast against wind. i would not say i never backlash, but if i do, i would say about 1/30 of a time...

hehe, my frog Metanium is always on free spool unless it gets real windy, frog is the easiest lure to cast super long because of heavy braided line you can almost ignore back lash, I spooled my Talula type r and Metanium with a 3/4oz frog on 65lb braid, sometimes I get to the backing and sometimes I'm 10ft into the backing and have the spool exposed, both are just stock reels. I've yet try my Metanium DC with a frog, curious to see how it goes but sadly it's a 6.2

As you said, TWS is not the sole factor make your reel cast super long, it's all the mods you do, maybe you should just buy a zillion hlc, it has the brake, spool and bearings to supplement a long cast

As of thumbing, generally speaking, always feather the spool at initial launch and let go before half way out, this is especially important if you have mismatched line/lure, for example cast a weightless senko on 1.0PE, senko itself is pretty heavy, almost too heavy for 1.0Pe to not digging into the spool, a frog with 65lb braided almost require no thumbing unless cast into the strong wind

tws will allow the spool to start up faster and reach high rpm earlier, no doubt. it will also will decrease the resistance when the line comes off the spool. try put the line guide on the far left or right which on 2 reels that has normal line guide and one with tws, make couple of casts, and observed...
the frog i use 99% of the time is 1/2oz which is the spro bronzeye popper, i have also compared casting both tws zillion and metanium,(same rod). the metanium feels a little bit more controlled but not as smooth thru out as from the zillion, stock by stock the zillion would cast about the same as metaium, the metanium did palm much better. but on the retrieve, the zillion is oily smooth.(thats just my personal opinion..) with modified brake on the zillion the gap between 2 reels is much bigger. and zillion is cheaper, plus i love putting longer handles for my reels to increase torque when fighting a fish and reeling, handle is much cheaper then the shimanos as well as easier to purchase them locally. nod goes to daiwa...

mind you Metanium XG comes with a 96mm handle stock, HG and 6.2 is 84mm, I consider 96mm loooong

[madfrog]

Hlc

这轮子你握的束缚么？我经过一系列的折腾还是换回Shimano.

Daiwa的轮子没有一个我拿着感觉很舒服的

[莫德尔]

你们还能不能好好说话了！每次害得我看你们发贴得搬着一百多斤重的牛筋字典。

[莫德尔]

for reels, i will go with simano rather then daiwa. on the other hand i will get rid of shimano rods.

[madfrog]

for reels, i will go with simano rather then daiwa. on the other hand i will get rid of shimano rods.

陌陌，shimano JDM的竿子都是杰作啊，crucial或者clarus这种竿子都是北美自己撺的

[Ecstasy]

Hlc

这轮子你握的束缚么？我经过一系列的折腾还是换回Shimano.

Daiwa的轮子没有一个我拿着感觉很舒服的

shimano 手感的确拿起来舒服～core 50 和curado 50还留着呢，这是我最喜欢的一款～

[HB]

这轮子你握的束缚么？我经过一系列的折腾还是换回Shimano.

Daiwa的轮子没有一个我拿着感觉很舒服的

shimano 手感的确拿起来舒服～core 50 和curado 50还留着呢，这是我最喜欢的一款～

core 50 and curado 50 are two reels....

[Alafly]

很高兴一个抛砖引玉的帖能有那么多高质量的回复！希望能对有同样疑惑的熊台有帮助！

今天实验结果换线是立竿见影的有用啊！一样的杆轮一样的饵，线换了smooth的，俺个人实践结果立马距离远30%！

今年河里水已经冷了，穿水裤下水时间长了膝盖明显有凉气，换杆轮要等明年了，再次感谢大家的热情讨论和回复，鞠躬，谢幕了。

[Ecstasy]

Daiwa的轮子没有一个我拿着感觉很舒服的

shimano 手感的确拿起来舒服～core 50 和curado 50还留着呢，这是我最喜欢的一款～

core 50 and curado 50 are two reels....

parts are interchangeable. made from the same mod. the core is just made with magnesium which is lighter and better parts.

[Alafly]

俺有个core 51一直没有舍得开苞好好用，荷花这么推崇，俺明年争取好好用用！

core 51 6盎司都不到，俺还没有找到搭配平衡的上手竿子。。。

shimano 手感的确拿起来舒服～core 50 和curado 50还留着呢，这是我最喜欢的一款～

core 50 and curado 50 are two reels....

parts are interchangeable. made from the same mod. the core is just made with magnesium which is lighter and better parts.

[abc27]

上手杆甩那么远干嘛.....

[白雪丹枫]

虽然说我不反对折腾，但总是觉得，有那么多时间折腾这些鸡毛蒜皮的事，不如多钻研点技术有用。

[Alafly]

懒，就一个字。。。河里钓多了，坑熟了，有点懒得走。。。

现在只能覆盖1/2到3/4河宽，希望全覆盖。。。

哦，忘记说了，昨晚天黑前半小时小嘴爽翻。。。

curado 71拽哥打死，竟然被条拔丝爷爷拉动了。。。尼玛活活10磅标称拽哥啊。。。

还有水冷成这样了，竟然还有鲤鱼在交配。。。跳啊跳，雨中情跳你个大头鬼啊。。。

上手杆甩那么远干嘛.....

[Alafly]

乡下就这点点资源可以玩，俺又不心灵手巧玩飞钓，你让俺玩啥。。。

虽然说我不反对折腾，但总是觉得，有那么多时间折腾这些鸡毛蒜皮的事，不如多钻研点技术有用。

[yangzw2002]

懒，就一个字。。。河里钓多了，坑熟了，有点懒得走。。。

现在只能覆盖1/2到3/4河宽，希望全覆盖。。。

哦，忘记说了，昨晚天黑前半小时小嘴爽翻。。。

curado 71拽哥打死，竟然被条拔丝爷爷拉动了。。。尼玛活活10磅标称拽哥啊。。。

还有水冷成这样了，竟然还有鲤鱼在交配。。。跳啊跳，雨中情跳你个大头鬼啊。。。

上手杆甩那么远干嘛.....

现在这种温度，也就河里容易爽一点，湖里已经相当困难了