大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

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Re: 大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

楼层:#76  帖子sharc » 25 9月 2015 22:58

白雪丹枫 写道:
sharc 写道:
阿恩 写道:
leon 写道:说自由党懂经济,保守党不懂经济的人,比较看看最近几年联邦财政和安省财政就知道了。
俺以前是铁杆自由党,曾经多次参加过陈国治的捐钱豪宴,现在转为铁杆棒打自由党。
自由党现在越来越左,做的事情越来越屎。变态、贪污、性丑闻啥坏事不做啊?安省变态省长仗着是一党独大,强推变态性教育祸害下一代,如此下去社会不知会变成啥样子了!
自由党的利益人群是白吃白拿享受福利吃政府吃工会饭的人。保守党的利益人群是中小企业辛苦干活的中产阶级。

我根本不懂经济,也不懂理财,就觉得正常情况下应该量入为出。在垂死的时候倒是可以放手一搏。我想大家不会否认,加拿大还没到垂死挣扎的时候吧,而且也不能像美国那样,印钞机印出来的纸也有人当是宝贝。自由党这样大举消费刺激经济,恐怕只有相关的人受益吧!


举个最简单的例子,你小孩要上医学院了可家里没钱,保守党的办法是没钱就不上了,随便上个能上的起的学早点出来挣钱。自由党的思路是贷款也要让孩子上医学院,虽然要负债好几年但上完了就不一样了。你是什么想法?


那如果借的钱永远都还不完呢?你还会借钱读书吗? :laugh3

说来说去,还是没听见说到自由党干了什么拿得出手的实事啊!假设,如果的东西,算不了数的。 :roflmao



自由党原来在台上的时候好几年联邦是有盈余的。这个你可以去查,思路决定了执政的水平高低。美国高科技和制造业发达的州基本上都是偏左,就是这个道理。
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Re: 大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

楼层:#77  帖子白雪丹枫 » 25 9月 2015 23:06

sharc 写道:
白雪丹枫 写道:
sharc 写道:
阿恩 写道:
leon 写道:说自由党懂经济,保守党不懂经济的人,比较看看最近几年联邦财政和安省财政就知道了。
俺以前是铁杆自由党,曾经多次参加过陈国治的捐钱豪宴,现在转为铁杆棒打自由党。
自由党现在越来越左,做的事情越来越屎。变态、贪污、性丑闻啥坏事不做啊?安省变态省长仗着是一党独大,强推变态性教育祸害下一代,如此下去社会不知会变成啥样子了!
自由党的利益人群是白吃白拿享受福利吃政府吃工会饭的人。保守党的利益人群是中小企业辛苦干活的中产阶级。

我根本不懂经济,也不懂理财,就觉得正常情况下应该量入为出。在垂死的时候倒是可以放手一搏。我想大家不会否认,加拿大还没到垂死挣扎的时候吧,而且也不能像美国那样,印钞机印出来的纸也有人当是宝贝。自由党这样大举消费刺激经济,恐怕只有相关的人受益吧!


举个最简单的例子,你小孩要上医学院了可家里没钱,保守党的办法是没钱就不上了,随便上个能上的起的学早点出来挣钱。自由党的思路是贷款也要让孩子上医学院,虽然要负债好几年但上完了就不一样了。你是什么想法?


那如果借的钱永远都还不完呢?你还会借钱读书吗? :laugh3

说来说去,还是没听见说到自由党干了什么拿得出手的实事啊!假设,如果的东西,算不了数的。 :roflmao



自由党原来在台上的时候好几年联邦是有盈余的。这个你可以去查,思路决定了执政的水平高低。美国高科技和制造业发达的州基本上都是偏左,就是这个道理。


安省自由党当了那么多年政,貌似安省这些年,欠的钱是越来越多了吧?

别说联邦自由党和地方自由党不一样。我们都知道联邦总理是怎么选出来的。
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Re: 大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

楼层:#78  帖子sharc » 25 9月 2015 23:14

白雪丹枫 写道:
sharc 写道:
白雪丹枫 写道:
sharc 写道:
阿恩 写道:
leon 写道:说自由党懂经济,保守党不懂经济的人,比较看看最近几年联邦财政和安省财政就知道了。
俺以前是铁杆自由党,曾经多次参加过陈国治的捐钱豪宴,现在转为铁杆棒打自由党。
自由党现在越来越左,做的事情越来越屎。变态、贪污、性丑闻啥坏事不做啊?安省变态省长仗着是一党独大,强推变态性教育祸害下一代,如此下去社会不知会变成啥样子了!
自由党的利益人群是白吃白拿享受福利吃政府吃工会饭的人。保守党的利益人群是中小企业辛苦干活的中产阶级。

我根本不懂经济,也不懂理财,就觉得正常情况下应该量入为出。在垂死的时候倒是可以放手一搏。我想大家不会否认,加拿大还没到垂死挣扎的时候吧,而且也不能像美国那样,印钞机印出来的纸也有人当是宝贝。自由党这样大举消费刺激经济,恐怕只有相关的人受益吧!


举个最简单的例子,你小孩要上医学院了可家里没钱,保守党的办法是没钱就不上了,随便上个能上的起的学早点出来挣钱。自由党的思路是贷款也要让孩子上医学院,虽然要负债好几年但上完了就不一样了。你是什么想法?


那如果借的钱永远都还不完呢?你还会借钱读书吗? :laugh3

说来说去,还是没听见说到自由党干了什么拿得出手的实事啊!假设,如果的东西,算不了数的。 :roflmao



自由党原来在台上的时候好几年联邦是有盈余的。这个你可以去查,思路决定了执政的水平高低。美国高科技和制造业发达的州基本上都是偏左,就是这个道理。


安省自由党当了那么多年政,貌似安省这些年,欠的钱是越来越多了吧?

别说联邦自由党和地方自由党不一样。我们都知道联邦总理是怎么选出来的。


联邦大选还是说联邦,自由党在联邦执政的时候就业增加和预算都是连年盈余,这个都是有据可查的
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/tories-liberals-who-are-the-better-economic-managers/article23252879/

你看看这个里面说的更清楚
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Re: 大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

楼层:#79  帖子阿恩 » 25 9月 2015 23:49

sharc 写道:
阿恩 写道:
leon 写道:说自由党懂经济,保守党不懂经济的人,比较看看最近几年联邦财政和安省财政就知道了。
俺以前是铁杆自由党,曾经多次参加过陈国治的捐钱豪宴,现在转为铁杆棒打自由党。
自由党现在越来越左,做的事情越来越屎。变态、贪污、性丑闻啥坏事不做啊?安省变态省长仗着是一党独大,强推变态性教育祸害下一代,如此下去社会不知会变成啥样子了!
自由党的利益人群是白吃白拿享受福利吃政府吃工会饭的人。保守党的利益人群是中小企业辛苦干活的中产阶级。

我根本不懂经济,也不懂理财,就觉得正常情况下应该量入为出。在垂死的时候倒是可以放手一搏。我想大家不会否认,加拿大还没到垂死挣扎的时候吧,而且也不能像美国那样,印钞机印出来的纸也有人当是宝贝。自由党这样大举消费刺激经济,恐怕只有相关的人受益吧!


举个最简单的例子,你小孩要上医学院了可家里没钱,保守党的办法是没钱就不上了,随便上个能上的起的学早点出来挣钱。自由党的思路是贷款也要让孩子上医学院,虽然要负债好几年但上完了就不一样了。你是什么想法?

我还真不会大量举债的让孩子上学,不管学什么。我除了买房子贷款,其他的只买自己买的起的。买房子贷款也是因为有银行愿意跟我做生意,我自己又有住的需要,而且,即使因为某种原因要卖掉,亏大钱的风险不大。而孩子上学,就没有必要一定上什么,干什么不可以啊,非得干自己干不了的?
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Re: 大选来了,咱渔夫们也不能远离政治

楼层:#80  帖子Longman » 26 9月 2015 00:56

sharc 写道:
Longman 写道:
sharc 写道:
白雪丹枫 写道:
sharc 写道:
Longman 写道:
俺选党领和国策,普通候选人只和本选区有关。何况政客们不管是哪个党派,有几个没道德暇疵的?只不过是曝没曝光的区别。


所以从道德层面来说都是烂人。从经济政策来看保守党这十年的成绩拿不出手啊


安省可一直是自由党当政啊!除了加税,和破天荒地让安省开始吃联邦救济,麻烦举一点拿得出手的东西好吗? :roflmao


省的政党和联邦层面的是两回事
在加拿大最近几十年的历史可以看看保守党和自由党的执政成绩,结论不言自明
再回过头来说安省的事情,要不是保守党把宝全押在石油上得了荷兰病,安省和魁省的制造业不会被冲击的这么厉害。保守党的政策就是大家只要挖油种地就行了,高科技制造业不用搞,这个政策基本上就把加拿大整垮了,现在加拿大从g7的前面掉到倒数的位置,正是保守党10年来的成绩。

曾经有人跟我说,北电黑莓都死在保守党手上。我的回应是,2001年互联网泡沫破灭,北电开始走下坡,2003年北电做假帐,从此万劫不复,这时期是谁当政呢?要保守党为北电的破产背锅,这逻辑何在? 至于黑莓,它倒霉在碰上了乔帮主这样一个天才对手,想不输太难,又跟不上消费者的需求,假设自由党当政,你以为黑莓就能够起死回生吗?别忘了加拿大是市场经济,政府对企业的影响是非常有限的。再说石油业,要是放着得天独厚的自然资源不去利用,却要和美帝硬拼高科技制造业,那不是以己之短击人之长吗?与美帝这样一个各方面,特别高级人才,都比加国强太多的巨无霸为邻,经济上与它互补才是明智之举。你光看现在油价低经济差,怎么不回味一下09年到13年加拿大经济在G7中的排行呢?你说保守党执政9年太长,自由党在安省可是执政12年,而且和联邦保守党不同,安省自由党绝大多数时间都是多数政府,安省的经济搞得好不好,你觉得哪个党责任大一些呢?你是认同经济有它自身起伏的周期呢,还是认为像机场快线这样浪费你我税金的基建投资真能够刺激经济呢?


至于政府支出刺激经济你可以看看美国的罗斯福当年的政策。回头再来说市场经济,那是保守党政府忽悠你,08年救市的时候怎么不说市场经济了?每年给油沙补贴20亿怎么不说市场经济了。联想要收购黑莓的时候怎么不说市场经济了。

保守党就是不喜欢高科技和研发。这个是事实,但一个国家要发展没有高科技和研发是不行的。


以下摘自自由党执政最后三年和保守党最近三年预算案中有关研发和创新部分。用数据说话,你要是还能得出“保守党就是不喜欢高科技和研发”的结论,我也就醉了。

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